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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    Except in the analogy of slavery, the equivalent of "don't join the server" is not living. Good interpretation. I think people can always just practice their basic dm in pub servers. Ur "not living" is = quit tf2
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    At the end of the day, every community has its flaws. but I hope u realise tha although yes, this harsh criticism thing is bad and alot of it has been thrown around, they only come from a few black sheep, which people, even admins, cant really do much as they are technically not breaking any rules. Just ignore them, approach those that can help you, and take charge of your own learning. Thats ultimately what makes a good player. Feel free to add me up, i try and help u what I can and am able to.
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    I do treat the pug seriously. My first point had always been: Is going away for a minute AT THE START OF A PUG AFTER EVERYONE'S BEEN PICKED AND BEFORE READY UP IS COMPLETED that wrong? That entire part was unnecessary. Still, did u mention it? I believe u shld have the decency to notify others if ur going away a while. If ur going away for 1 minute, how would others know ur not going to be afk for a long time then?
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    I was referring to before a pug starts when everyone has been picked lol. Never said anything about it being halfway through a match. No, that was not what I meant. U shld treat a pug seriously if ur going to try and improve, dont u agree? leaving halfway, even for a minute, leaves ur team at a constant disadvantage. A minute is enough to push out from last and regain mid. I never mentioned anything about getting puggers was the ONLY way to teach myself, but that instead of just ragging, they COULD help out or just let us learn in our own time. U said that admins werent the only source of mentoring. that means the only players, who are not admins, would only leave the puggers themselves. What point are u trying to make. Secondly, i believe some people are alr trying to help you out? or am I wrong? or is it because u havent actively seeked help from anyone? I already said, your words implied that statement. Point taken, no one is stopping me. But the way you're making it sound - 'come at your own risk', immediately implies the feeling that harsh words and comments are expected? I thought of afl to be a friendly and fun community to join while keeping its competitive standards, and still do. But when you use that phrase, people naturally assume the other meaning. To everything there is a risk. When u go out with your friends to have fun, there is a risk of having an accident in whatever u do. Whatever u do, there is a risk. In AFL, the risk is playing with veterans who throw at u harsh criticism. Theres all im merely trying to say. Most of us try to make it a fun and friendly place. Its only a certain number of people, and Im sure although u make it seem that harsh criticism happens alot (which is true), its only from the same few people, can u agree with me on that?
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    So because a hundred years ago slavery was prevalent, accepted, widely believed to be "the way things were supposed to be" and many slaves had to "deal with it", it's ok for me to go out and enslave a person I perceive to be inferior to me? I think its right for me to say that, if you cannot handle the criticism and harsh comments (in this analogy slavery), while in the past everyone had to deal with it, there is a solution now to this "slavery" which is called "dont join the server" Im not trying to say asiafortress is going to die, but honestly if you can accept harsh criticism, please do join our community and learn as much as u can from this critiques. if you cant, sorry, but u can always avoid to face the insults by simply not joining the server.
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    The first sentence is oxymoronic. Some occasions? Quite a few times I alone nearly got vote banned simply because I took a minute's break and not readying up. Plus, if even the veterans treat pugs as pub "lol let's go double sniper", how does trying something different as a lower tier player make us more at fault? Have u ever seen anyone in a scrim/ official match "take a break to do stuff"? No. Furthermore, u can always standby a drink beside u and drink when ur dead. And to ur 2nd point. I have a good example to rebutt it. U can ask a person named And, an admin of this community, who kicked k1infran,a well known div 1 player, for offclassing sniper on granary. I already mentioned in my statement that MOST veterans have that sort of belief. Read properly please. I can say that all the admins do their best to help us, but they aren't the only players who can teach us. If u honestly say what u mean, then why do u honestly care about those veterans that have that belief? Approach those that do NOT have that belief for help then? and for the 2nd statement. there are SO MANY other ways to teach yourself other than puggers in this community. U know ETF2L and ESEA? watch their games which are casted. U know ur own demos? Review them. My bad, I was using a specified topic to prove as an example, but it still is valid. In an empty server, we are not rushed in the least. Give or take, real games are always still the best ways to improve. There is a timer u can always use. U know how badlands best rollout timing is 9:44s approximate for demomen? U can always aim to reach that timing after every round start on your empty server. And its strange u need a pug server to rush yourself. It just means u have no motivation to reach mid as fast as possible. Did I mention that everyone in the world was perfect as well? No, clearly I did no. All I did was say that as rare as it could be, there are still people helping one another out, just not enough to counter the haters we have. Point taken, but that also doesnt mean I have contradcited myself in anyway. Please refrain from accusing me of it without proper explanation. Yet again, you are speaking as if pugs are reserved purely for people who don't need to have these experiences. And yes, I didn't know that. You may not mean the above^, but your words certainly imply as such. I, in no way, said "pugs are reserved purely for people who dont need to have these experiences" I believe no one cares if u go to a pug, absolutely no one is restricting you to do so. if u really want to get what I mean, here it is in 2 sentences. If u find a mix or scrim, u wont have to face these harsh comments. HOWEVER, if u do wish to pug, NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU, but prepare to face harsh comments which are expected, as u cant possible expect others to understand u when u come at your own risk.
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    How do you have the right to tell us not to play with you guys? We have our own choices about who we want to play with, without segregation of our own 'skill level'. I believe no one in this community has ever told u guys to " not play with us" other than a few exceptions I can think of. Dont we all still keep you in the game, with some occasions of votekicking due to legit reasons (etc. medic crossbowing instead of healing wtf) Haha never said that we were veterans, just said that we deserve the rights NOT to be called names and shiz anymore. We try our very best to play like you guys, and yes, I would say we are at the very least decent. Are you still too stubborn to admit that? U said we consider u guys a tier below veterans. That means If u dont want us to do that, u want us to consider u as veterans? ur argument earlier is clearly flawed. And I myself am not stuborn to admit that, but U YOURSELF are generalising the VETERAN COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, that they consider u guys as 'cancer' i think some people who are veterans do not think that, spammah himself is 1 such example who helps people like u improve from time to time Then there won't be any form of game sense for us if we're practicing on an empty server. Granted, we'll gradually get better, but just because we make a mistake once upon a time and turn out slower than expected doesn't give you ragging rights on us. Rolling out on an empty server versus rolling out on a pug server has NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. what u are saying refers to actual gameplay etc. midfights, but ur earlier arguement states " Many times I've come across players who roll slowly and get yelled at." Clearly here you are talking about rolling out. Then you just contradicted your own comment. Go figure. I didn't necessarily ask for you guys to be 'kinder and help others', just not to rag on us if we're still working on our strengths. I did not contradict my comment. I admitted that although it would be better for everyone to help each other, its just not reality. Did I say that everyone in the world is perfect? No, I clearly did not. All I did was picture an unreal world where everyone helps each other. Do they actually work? The guides give a theoretical base for you to work on, but we still have to figure out a lot by ourselves. Some of it still has to come through experience through gameplay. So go figure out these experiences that u need through ur own mixes. Why pug, furthermore pugging helps u gain less experience than in a mix if u didnt know.
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    did clover just, make a very mature point of view? My goodness clover well done. On a serious note i can only strongly emphasis 1 of clover's point as it is what i believe in as well Coming to a pug unprepared is not only a waste of your own time, but also the time of everyone else in the pug.
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    Just because we're not good enough doesn't mean that we're affecting YOUR gameplay. We're merely affecting the teams' performance, in absolutely no way affecting YOU as a person. If it's just the team, pugging is after all not just about winning. We are all still learning from bad plays and mistakes. Your actions in game will definitely affect how others are playing. Its a fact, face it. if you didnt do this, others wouldnt have to do that etc. I didnt say it affects people as a person, its affects them according to how they play the game. Self centred in what way? I'm speaking for the rest of us out there who are constantly taunted for not 'being on the level'. We try our best to pick up everything, but we need time to progress on with our game. We can't be expected to jump into the thick and have maxed out skills and stuff just to suit you older players. Playing this game for leisure can have several different meanings. I refer to playing competitive TF2 as leisure cos we want an organised way to play with other players. We're not just here for leisure. You misunderstand my words. We play in our LEISURELY time, making it a leisure due to our wanting to spend time on improving ourselves. Like I said, everyone in this community has their own self interests. And like you said, you guys have limited time, and so does everyone else here playing this very game. If you guys are afraid of being taunted, go scrim against other players of your own skill level. No one is asking you to suit them, just dont play with these people and scrim for yourselves. Point taken for your 3rd last to last statement. I agree with your point that we can improve more when we are around good players, but how much chance is there for every individual who wants to play with good players to actually get to play? Some of us have already formed teams of our own as little known as it may be, but scrims prove to be in vain as there is a minuscule amount of players who actually WANT to play competitive TF2 from the treatment of new players. And in terms of mentors? I can safely say that few veterans would actually care about the welfare of the players, seeing that even the smallest of mistakes are met with criticism, and criticism alone. There are a handful of veterans who would actually give tips, but rare is it to see one who is willing to spend time with you to mentor you as a gamer. Are you sure there are very few new players around here. I can bet with you there are many people here and its easy to get a mix. find 12 of these people from the "say hi" section and your set to go. If time is an issue, you dont have to scrim everyday. find a day once a week to do so. Ur actions and willingness to find people to play against is what will improve yourself as a player. And to add on, although u say there only a few willing mentors, while it is true, there are still people around to help you. you said u have been here for half a year? Surely u know 1-2 people who can help u. Why not approach them? Why complain here? Haha yea I answered the first part already. What right do the veterans have to pug ONLY amongst themselves? We are not whining about anything, simply asking the question: What gives you the rights to demean us as new players? If it is anyone who is whining, it is the veterans who whine about us playing with them, and not being able to reach their standards. Teddy already proves a perfect example of this. We do improve, in fact some of us have already improved so much to the extent that we are better than some older players. Yet, we are not given as much of a chance as the others are. The older players make mistakes sometimes, they just laugh it off and everyone's fine. When we make mistakes, everyone heaves a sigh of exasperation and starts commenting or simply keep quiet but in their own way criticises us. We all get better, just take a look at Bokonon and I. He started awhile earlier than I did, both of us slowly improving in our own ways, no longer the low-scoring ones. And still we are regarded as the tier lower than the veterans. WAIT ARE U ACTUALLY SAYING U ARE NOT NEW? ARE U SAYING U HAVE EXPERIENCE SUCH THAT U DEEM URSELF AS DECENT PLAYERS? IF SO, WHY ARE VETERANS STILL SAYING MEAN STUFF ABOUT U. I SERIOUSLY DONT THINK THEY SAY THAT FOR FUN EXCUSE ME. And umm, did u honestly, really, just say that bokonon and u are... veterans. Im sorry. I cant. Just cant. rebutt this. My mind is blown. I never mentioned that we had absolutely NO idea of the basics, we know them, just that we can't perfectly execute everything all the time. Many times I've come across players who roll slowly and get yelled at. I keep quiet most of these times, but I know how bad it can hurt sometimes. Your argument is invalid. If u know u rollout slowly, there is something called a create server option which allows u to perfect ur rollout without being scolded nor bitched not laughed at by anyone else. Never mentioned anything about showing off? 0o We just want the same amount of respect you guys are getting, that's all. This is just like bullying. You can't just ignore the comments. Even if you keep quiet, you can't just pretend nothing happened. Approach those who are willing to help? Haha sorry, but the market is low on that supply. I have met some pretty awesome puggers who have tried to help me improve, but that's only a small number of players. Dude, no one in this world is perfect. how can u expect others to use their precious time just to help you. It seems from your argument that u want more people to be kinder and help others. though that obviously is a better world, it isnt reality. No one has the time to do so, neither is everyone kind enough. this is reality, face it. I feel you guys, especially when we mess up and shiz but if we're a burden, you can't just criticise us and expect us to get better from your yelling. Spoonfeed us? In what way have you guys spoon fed us anything??? As I have said many times, pretty much NONE of you guys actually use your time to mentor and teach us, even if we come your way. I think the guides in the forums are the very evidence of spoonfeeding. When people who date back to AFL1 or 2 started, they had NO GUIDES WHATSOEVER.
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    Acceptance & Understanding of (New) Puggers

    Let me try to address some of your questions from someone who has been in the community for roughly 1.5 years Are we somehow affecting your gameplay simply because we aren't as good as we 'should' be? Not everyone is a natural gamer, some of us take time to learn and pick up gaming techniques. Some of us can't play as much and be good simply because we have a life dubbed reality, gaming being just a form of leisure. The 1st question is just contradictory. May I ask u if u know what game we are playing? Thats right, its called TEAM fortress 2. TEAM BRO TEAM. If you are not good enough isnt it common sense you are affecting how others are playing? For your 3rd statement. May I ask you 2 questions. 1. Do you honestly think the rest of the people in this community DO NOT have a life as well? This is such a self centered statement. Dude, everyone here has a life and scarce time for play. The fact that some of you do not know how to play, makes the pug not much of a learning experience for these veterans, and thus it is YOU GUYS who are wasting their time in life. Comprehend what im saying? 2nd question. U said u play this game for leisure. point taken. Then why are u playing a COMPETETIVE form of TF2 when u are playing it for leisure??? Everyone here has their own self interest to improve and be the best they can be. honestly if ur here just for leisure, pub servers are more suitable for you dont you think? we are still shunned and picked only when there is no one 'better' to pick, or rarely when someone who has seen our previous gameplay and see potential in us for further improvement. i believe people who are trying to play the best pug they can will pick the veterans. it is only when u have good players around do u actually truly see whats wrong with ur gameplay and such. Honestly if u want to improve, u shld play with people ur own skill level first. HOW to do so u may ask? Easy, find a scrim / mix with people around ur skill level, and constantly review ur demos afterwards, possibly with a mentor who is kind enough to guide you. This suppresses new puggers in the way that we don't get a proper game sense in pugs, we simply do not get a lot of playtime due to the fact that the medics don't pick us with reason standing that we aren't as good as the older players. When is it that we will be good enough for you guys to accept us as part of the community? Like I said, get scrims / mixes with people around ur skill level. Once u deem urself good enough, try pugging with the veterans. Enough whining about when people will accept you. Why dont u switch ur mentality to " Im going to improve so much that 1 day Ill show them that I can be better" Sounds like a funny mentality, but its still better than whining dont u agree? We may have moved up to pugging from pubbing, or we could have come onto pugging without having a complete knowledge about the rollouts, rules etc. or like myself, we install TF2 and immediately move into pugging due to early introduction from our friends or smth. Ur friends who introduce you to TF2 shld have the common sense and decency to either teach u the basics of rollouts, picking system, pugs overall etc OR link you to the asiafortress website for guides and such. There is absolutely no excuse for you to come in without any prior knowledge to pugging. Its a passworded server for gods sake. We are all still improving, like all humans failing and making mistakes along the way, but still improving all the same. Does this natural process give you older veteran puggers any right to call us 'cancer' and to mock us? I am aware that it's not all veterans who do this but a large enough number do, which is the reason I can mention this in particular. As the 'new' puggers, we look up to you guys. We try to pick up as many good tips from you guys, as many good habits as possible while spectating if we're not picked. This way, we're learning from observation, observing you. We would then try to execute these tactics and moves during gameplay, sometimes failing. We respect you guys for your time with TF2, which is why we admire your skills and all, but yelling at us when we fail to play 'properly' is not something we can learn from. Calling us names and jeering us will not help us improve in the least. Commenting on our 'pathetic' attempts and number of points, dm points etc. does not help us in the least. I have come across many players who make unnecessary comments on our gameplay some of which are very down putting. Learn to take this in your stride. I have been a victim of this once, but honestly why the f*ck would u care? if your purpose is to show off, let the veterans know you for being "pro" and to be recognised in the community then i guess you would be affected. BUT if your PURPOSE of pugging is to IMPROVE, let me ask u WHY THE F*CK WOULD U CARE??? Ignore these comments, approach those who are willing to help, and your problem of losing confidence is solved. but I just hope that you guys will understand how we feel when you guys treat us this way, and in hopes that we can eventually be accepted by you guys as a fellow pugger, Once again a very self centered statement. U shld also know how it feels for the veterans to constantly be affected because of your unexperienced plays and decisions. Face the facts, if your not as good as others, ur a burden. Sorry for being blunt but its the truth. So once u understand how others are feeling, you will realise that its actually hard for the veterans to put on a fake smiling face, carefully spoonfeed you, and use their little amount of time to try and mentor and teach you. I hope that you realise I am in no way trying to criticise you as a person, but I hope from the time I have taken to read your comments and reply them, you too would read them as well, and perhaps gain some insight to the problems this community is having. No doubt to keep this community alive we have to keep gaining new players, but if it just means having to go to so much trouble just to help those new players get their shit tgt, then sometimes its just not worth it.
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    Mercenaries Cup 5 Discussion

    For my team (The Homely Hobos) and maybe some other teams, I believe this was not aforementioned in the rules in any way, so are we getting an extension of some sort if we can't schedule by today for the golden cap?
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    LOOKING FOR AFLAN.SG CASTERS!

    Admirable and Spammah!
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    Mercenaries Cup 5 Discussion

    those metal will be the prizes if im not wrong...
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    I wanted to use 'Salutations' :(

    Level 3 sentry is true scrub. Lousy cheater aimb0t
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    Greeting everyone

    vvat vvat shounic
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    just curious

    Used to have a friend once who played in the Asia scene from China or so, got around 200 ping approximately. It was definitely quite a challenge for him but not impossible as a scout, so why not you give it a try
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    Greeting everyone

    Who invited qj here Mind ur language please
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    JACCI THATS RIGHT!!!!!

    U NVR SOURCE FOR IT, BUT UR A GOOD INFO SOURCE, GEDDIT HAHA
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    JACCI THATS RIGHT!!!!!

    dam weinerzone P.S Hurr hurr yuri is good info source hurr hurr
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    Greeting everyone

    Viser isn't good at any class. PEW PEW SHOTS FIRED. Jk viser u pw0
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    Hi ima nobo

    u have forgotten CZ yuri O WAIT HE IS MEANT TO BE FORGOTTEN <3 to CZ come on yuri how u forgot that nobo
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    Hi ima nobo

    This guy quite nice. Except when he leak as pyro Then I call him a faggot Faggot :3
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    AFHL Mixes 2 Discussion and Feedback Thread

    I lazy type qn so: 1. Yes 2.Quite balanced 3. Yes althought the 2fort thing was like a post mix thing so it wldnt really be counted as going against rules after all 4. Yes but imo a little later is better, friday after all 5. Yes 6. Dk what to say quality wise, its all based on the teams who play it 7. Yeh 8. Yes, its just like asking for a sub withint teams 9. make it so can vote player of the week! Then it will encourage others to play more and improve! TYVM FOR MIX
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    AFHL Mixes 2 Week #1 [10/1/2014]

    Name: jigglesaur Desired Class: Demo Steam Profile URL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/jiansheng/ Reason for needing a sub: subbing for eric, ping problems
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    AFHL Mixes 2 Week #1 [10/1/2014]

    Name: bio Desired Class: scout Steam Profile URL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/coproduction/ Reason for needing a sub: subbing for circe, shes not free
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