ch3rry 7 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 An eye for an eye makes the world blind my friend. that. was. beautiful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haruhi 0 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 An eye for an eye makes the world blind my friend. that. was. beautiful. So is my -1 my friend. If u get my drift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astatine 0 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 just ban all the engineer unlocks. wrangler in particular, way too OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch3rry 7 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 An eye for an eye makes the world blind my friend. that. was. beautiful. So is my -1 my friend. If u get my drift. . You forgot to give Gandhi the credit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ding 2 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 kisses and hugs lead to sex. Don't tell me you dont like sex. Even if its with a seductively boyish person.I think what cobalt was saying was how it is possible to kill a good normal heavy, but much much harder if it was a natascha heavy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kigbariom 6 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 I think Natascha should be up for discussion because TF2 is a game about mobility, and when you can slow someone down to the point of hardly moving at all, the -25% is negligible. Speed is so important for every class so in my opinion weapons like the sandman and Natascha upset the balance of competitive play. Robin Walker was hinting towards a nerf for the Natascha if anyone read PC Gamer so maybe it will be 'fixed', so to speak, by the time season 4 starts but as it stands now it's debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HaXxorIzed 17 Report post Posted September 7, 2010 Completely independently of balance or how easy it is to use, thinking about natascha should involve what it takes and gives to the game. Personally, I don't see why Natascha really gives anything to the game, and it certainly makes the game less enjoyable for anyone who gets hit by it. Fundamentally, it more or less acts as a stun which takes away most of your control. The end product is tremendously frustrating weapon which in my experience goes a long way towards ruining the game for everybody. No other unlock beyond the sandman in it's original form really has that kind of power. It's also an absolute fucking nightmare if you get hit by it and you're over 80-90 ping, because weird jerky shit starts happening with your movement/aim. Anyone over 150 will probably suffer an epileptic seizure and/or want to brain themselves against a wall. It really does make something that's quite annoying, much worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deadpris 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2010 Natasha's fine... I don't think I've played in scrims where a Natasha heavy made a real big difference to the winning/losing of a game... I still don't really know what engineer unlocks do... so no comments.. but wrangler is bad O_O Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch3rry 7 Report post Posted September 7, 2010 Completely independently of balance or how easy it is to use' date=' thinking about natascha should involve what it takes and gives to the game. Personally, I don't see why Natascha really gives, and it certainly makes the game less enjoyable for anyone who gets hit by it. Fundemntally, it more or less acts as a stun which takes away most of your control. The end product is tremendously frustrating weapon which in my experience goes a long way towards ruining the game for everybody. No other unlock beyond the sandman in it's original form really has that kind of power. It's also an absolute fucking [i']nightmare[/i] if you get hit by it and you're over 80-90 ping, because weird jerky shit starts happening with your movement/aim. Anyone over 150 will probably suffer an epileptic seizure and/or want to brain themselves against a wall. It really does make something that's quite annoying, much worse. Good job yukari. ECHO THAT NIGS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ding 2 Report post Posted September 7, 2010 wait wait. whats the hate wif the frontier justice about?its pretty Underpowered if u ask me. And in a 6v6 setting, it very difficult to get the crits anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Summer 180 Report post Posted September 7, 2010 Wrangler and gunslinger should definitely be out. I was spectating a gpit match and at B someone had wrangler on defence. A solly jumped and just got juggled in the air And not only that, it has BS unlimited range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haruhi 0 Report post Posted September 8, 2010 But come to think of it, wrangler actually makes point a kinda defendable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deliaren 3 Report post Posted September 8, 2010 Wrangler = spy useless and spamming needs to be blindfolded and from half of the map + shield that effectively cuts off 50% of the damage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Netto 0 Report post Posted September 8, 2010 Remove Wrangler! I'm not against the manual aim, but to need 6 stickies to bring down a Wrangler'd SG? I call that BS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sultan Of Cake Report post Posted September 10, 2010 Hope to see something new in AFL4... Sure some of them are OP... But the rest... You just need different tactics to deal with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yuko 46 Report post Posted September 12, 2010 RESULTS RESULTS [align=center]UNLOCKABLES BANNED Scout Sandman is banned. Crit-A-Cola and Bonk (Only one per team) Soldier Buff Banner (Only one per team) Heavy Natascha is banned. Killing Gloves of Boxing is banned. Engineer Wrangler is banned. Gunslinger is banned. All other unlockables are allowed.[/align] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spammah 103 Report post Posted September 12, 2010 Wrangler's OP just for the fact that you need to commit at least 4+ guys with uber to take it down and then have everyone die when the opponent does a counter-uber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spammah 103 Report post Posted September 12, 2010 Thinking about it, reason behind KGB ban? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haruhi 0 Report post Posted September 13, 2010 People just don't like the heavy with badass gloves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trauma 0 Report post Posted September 13, 2010 Why is Natascha banned though? IMHO its not OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcaz 33 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 what do you do when your opponent runs a heavy? rep: you laugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ding 2 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Brandon come in please and resolve everything. We need you to make some calls. if its final and not up to be entertained i don't see the point of the posts here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madman 185 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 What is there to resolve? Reopen the KGB polls that is all; ive explained the rationale for almost everything in the other thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deliaren 3 Report post Posted October 1, 2010 Open new polls, new update items yoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ding 2 Report post Posted October 1, 2010 disallow all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites