cuteboyyy 14 Report post Posted October 30, 2013 Edited 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shounic 143 Report post Posted October 31, 2013 +1. This guy knows his shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teal 156 Report post Posted October 31, 2013 "Pug, imo, should really start off by making it a habit for all players to be in the mumble channel and that is what is meant for. Communication" A month ago, nata stealth in and said "Would you like some curry?" A week ago, Destiny came in to play pub with us. His words don't matter. he has abs, thats all WE can remember. A few days ago, Toshi came into our channel and whispered, "Sabai Sabai" sexily. Yesterday Hedwig and Teejay ninja-ed in and Teejay said Hi! with a giggle (tj always giggle, hedwig new member<-hello!) Everyday gene's comms are ORDLOORDLOORDLORDLORDLOYEAIMTHEBESTORDLO. Goibon Uden Lo comms are ze best. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natapon 124 Report post Posted October 31, 2013 mumble keeps the pug atmosphere lighter. the human voice will always be infinitely more influential than just cold hard text for it carries emotions beyond words. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haluuuuu 56 Report post Posted October 31, 2013 "Pug, imo, should really start off by making it a habit for all players to be in the mumble channel and that is what is meant for. Communication" A month ago, nata stealth in and said "Would you like some curry?" A week ago, Destiny came in to play pub with us. His words don't matter. he has abs, thats all WE can remember. A few days ago, Toshi came into our channel and whispered, "Sabai Sabai" sexily. Yesterday Hedwig and Teejay ninja-ed in and Teejay said Hi! with a giggle (tj always giggle, hedwig new member<-hello!) Everyday gene's comms are ORDLOORDLOORDLORDLORDLOYEAIMTHEBESTORDLO. Goibon Uden Lo comms are ze best. every time i stealth in u spot me D: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heretotroll 10 Report post Posted October 31, 2013 All I read in this (and other posts authored by these "veterans") "asdasfasfg i used to be nub jnjsandjan now call me veteran pro liao siao thanks asduiasndjsan" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caldoran 146 Report post Posted October 31, 2013 All I read in this (and other posts authored by these "veterans") "asdasfasfg i used to be nub jnjsandjan now call me veteran pro liao siao thanks asduiasndjsan" Try getting past the third paragraph in the future? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Summer 180 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Agree with most of what cuteman said. Most players now lack initiative to do anything at all whether it be just finding scrims, or even being there on time, let alone contributing back to the community. I spend so much time looking for games when everyone else says "cannot find leh" and then i manage to get one, so i don't think they actually try. If the pug servers can be full everyday, how is that we have a lack of teams or even serious mixes? If you honestly want to improve, put in the effort, if not our standard and our community will remain stagnant as it is. P.S: I'M BOOKING OUT AT 1500 WTB SCRIM TONIGHT 10PM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heretotroll 10 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Try getting past the third paragraph in the future? Didn't need to got the gist of it before that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caldoran 146 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Didn't need to got the gist of it before that Pretty sure a summary wasn't located anywhere near the beginning of the post, so that was quite a feat getting the gist of an 11 paragraph post even before the introduction was complete. Such comprehension skills should be recognized and applauded, definitely. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biotics 45 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Didn't need to got the gist of it before that if you read on you will see that he is just trying to help the community out. Definitely not boasting about himself. It seems you have a negative impression about some of the people in this community, heretotroll, I wonder why? Or should I say, I wonder why ch3rry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heretotroll 10 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Pretty sure a summary wasn't located anywhere near the beginning of the post, so that was quite a feat getting the gist of an 11 paragraph post even before the introduction was complete. Such comprehension skills should be recognized and applauded, definitely. Yep, it helps you when you're taking your SATs. Damn CR sections suck. if you read on you will see that he is just trying to help the community out. Definitely not boasting about himself. It seems you have a negative impression about some of the people in this community, heretotroll, I wonder why? Or should I say, I wonder why ch3rry? I don't actually, I don't even know who the OP is... Woah you called my by my actual alias'. NOW WHAT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biotics 45 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 Yep, it helps you when you're taking your SATs. Damn CR sections suck. I don't actually, I don't even know who the OP is... Woah you called my by my actual alias'. NOW WHAT? Now we can know why an old veteran like you would have such a negative impression on the community? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natapon 124 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 momma cherri says it best: Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : their sniping so zaic001k1d : the insom guy c001k1d : but he so arrogant Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : where got lol MOMMA CHERRI'S : hes saying it as it is c001k1d : that match MOMMA CHERRI'S : you guys play like retards Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : hmm yea c001k1d : he ask why summer play so bad MOMMA CHERRI'S : lets just say MOMMA CHERRI'S : aside from pugs Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : he was 230 ping but he still did 10k dmg gotta give it to him MOMMA CHERRI'S : we would never play along side players like protato (TEAM) MOMMA CHERRI'S : .ss MOMMA CHERRI'S : give them any ping and they would still rape u guys MOMMA CHERRI'S : its not a ping issue c001k1d : yeeah MOMMA CHERRI'S : its a brain issue Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : who was that guy anyway MOMMA CHERRI'S : unknown players MOMMA CHERRI'S : probably intermediate MOMMA CHERRI'S : most of you guys wont even make open c001k1d : well c001k1d : i havent improved c001k1d : ever lol MOMMA CHERRI'S : you guys simply dont improve MOMMA CHERRI'S : and do you know why? c001k1d : nope Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : suspense MOMMA CHERRI'S : go read up the forums c001k1d : well i sorta just play for fun c001k1d : i read cutemans c001k1d : thingy c001k1d : its quite true c001k1d : soon c001k1d : 2 weeks c001k1d : ill be free c001k1d : maybe ill get a mentor MOMMA CHERRI'S : dont tell me MOMMA CHERRI'S : go do it Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : man, wish i could improve haha c001k1d : u did what MOMMA CHERRI'S : and what are you doing to get there? Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : no time to commit tho MOMMA CHERRI'S : is it that hard MOMMA CHERRI'S : to record a demo MOMMA CHERRI'S : submit MOMMA CHERRI'S : ask for review? Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : can the demo be from stv MOMMA CHERRI'S : or ask for a mentor to sit in mumble with you while you pug MOMMA CHERRI'S : and watch you MOMMA CHERRI'S : POV demos MOMMA CHERRI'S : stv demos dont capture everything c001k1d : but i wanna improve my dm first c001k1d : before my game sense MOMMA CHERRI'S : you havent even read any guides MOMMA CHERRI'S : your basics are not even there MOMMA CHERRI'S : i bet your tf2 is not even setup properly c001k1d : probably not Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : i wish i at least improved from the time i got rated Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : aha MOMMA CHERRI'S : PROBABLY? MOMMA CHERRI'S : then its NOT MOMMA CHERRI'S : go and READ MOMMA CHERRI'S : EVERY MOMMA CHERRI'S : GUIDE MOMMA CHERRI'S : in the FORUMS MOMMA CHERRI'S : cuz i see the ratings MOMMA CHERRI'S : i see all the locals getting destroyed c001k1d : well to think ive been playing tf2 for quite a while Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : what really sets us apart from other countries, i mean c001k1d : i would at least get a grasp c001k1d : but i dont have any Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : yea, why do the players here play the way they do Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : aw silence MOMMA CHERRI'S : why dont you ask in the forums Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : hmm i will MOMMA CHERRI'S : they will provide better answers Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : for discussion again Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : xD MOMMA CHERRI'S : i cant have the answer to everything MOMMA CHERRI'S : discussions are good MOMMA CHERRI'S : get these new players MOMMA CHERRI'S : to discuss MOMMA CHERRI'S : and interact c001k1d : well to me c001k1d : i dont wanna go to the forums c001k1d : cause most of the people there hate me c001k1d : not sure why MOMMA CHERRI'S : then find out why MOMMA CHERRI'S : you gonna let them hate you forever? Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : i realise that af forum always lead away from the topic and instead turns to ad hominem fights MOMMA CHERRI'S : just cuz they see something in you that they dont liek? c001k1d : im not even sure c001k1d : i guess c001k1d : ill go MOMMA CHERRI'S : thats the problem with the current generation of kids MOMMA CHERRI'S : we have to spoonfeed you everything MOMMA CHERRI'S : when we first started out in tf2 Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : protato MOMMA CHERRI'S : we had to learn everything MOMMA CHERRI'S : ourselves MOMMA CHERRI'S : rocket jumps MOMMA CHERRI'S : sticky jumps MOMMA CHERRI'S : now you have all these tutorials MOMMA CHERRI'S : videos MOMMA CHERRI'S : its fucking spoonfeeding MOMMA CHERRI'S : and yet there are players that cant aim properly MOMMA CHERRI'S : move properly MOMMA CHERRI'S : have 75 fov Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : were there people like these in the old pugs MOMMA CHERRI'S : a lot less MOMMA CHERRI'S : they were a minority MOMMA CHERRI'S : now they are a majority Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : i remembered the very first pug Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : i went to c001k1d : i dont Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : got invited by saki, went in, and before the game even started, got shitraged Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : hahaha Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : he told me, go in, i'll guide u, and then he dc-ed and im left in the unknown Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : that was back when i didnt even know af existed MOMMA CHERRI'S : imma post this in the forums MOMMA CHERRI'S : this chat log MOMMA CHERRI'S : to get the discussion going Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : haha Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : haha Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : yea man MOMMA CHERRI'S : continue there MOMMA CHERRI'S : i dont hate anyone or anything MOMMA CHERRI'S : but its fucking infuriating MOMMA CHERRI'S : and fustrating Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : i feel u MOMMA CHERRI'S : to play with some of these players MOMMA CHERRI'S : you ask yourself, why are they here MOMMA CHERRI'S : how did they end up here MOMMA CHERRI'S : who brought them here MOMMA CHERRI'S : 3 months later MOMMA CHERRI'S : the same players MOMMA CHERRI'S : same things MOMMA CHERRI'S : same mistakes Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : i apologise for the games i made u infuriated MOMMA CHERRI'S : some still playing with 75fov MOMMA CHERRI'S : 100 sens c001k1d : natas describing my gameplay c001k1d : c001k1d : instead of 3 months its 2 year MOMMA CHERRI'S : well then do something about it MOMMA CHERRI'S : we are all responsible for our own selves MOMMA CHERRI'S : k im off, discuss in forums Teddybär. #FreeMyInternet : peace c001k1d : k bye 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cuteboyyy 14 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 I have to agree to what natapon mentioned. Thats what i exactly wanted to say as well and he covered everything. Conclusion : If you dont make the effort and the old players are trying to help, get your set up right , COMMS in mumble during pug, take initiatives , ask and not give the fuck up attitude and tell us that you don't have mumble , you don't have mic and after some time when we already correct your mistakes and you do the same thing, i think you deserve to get shit raged in pug because nobody ever not improved if they really put in their best. Now we have start to try, get you guys into mumble, we have to TELL you to come every single pug and you guys are TOO LAZY and have to be guided to come in, i really cant be motivated to help. We cant feel your seriousness and the need to improve. On a side note, if you just feel that "OH ITS A GAME I GOT BETTER THINGS OUTSIDE, THIS IS SUCH A WASTE OF TIME, I WOULD NEVER IMPROVE BECAUSE ITS JUST ME , THAT'S THAT, i am just going to play and have fun, who cares about basic , i am just going to go in and play and shoot, who cares about what other old players say about me". Just leave. Dont ever come back. You are the black sheep in the community. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cuteboyyy 14 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 Let me start now. Existing local teams (any divisions) add and pm natapon (MOMMA CHERRI'S) , me (Ataraxia) or teejay for scrims. **I know its daunting for teams that are learning, but dont worry, do it. I have done it before its hard i know, but you gotta try** If you feel that you got into a team and your teammates arent trying and that their attitude and mentality isnt there, talk to them , understand whats the problem and if you really feel that they actually don't give a shit , just play for the sake of playing and you want to go further, you know what to do. Take it step by step. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heretotroll 10 Report post Posted November 4, 2013 Now we can know why an old veteran like you would have such a negative impression on the community? Insensitivity to newer players. Redundant topics like this stealing the spotlight from more useful and applicable guides that have already been posted. HUGE suck ups. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biotics 45 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 Insensitivity to newer players. Redundant topics like this stealing the spotlight from more useful and applicable guides that have already been posted. HUGE suck ups. Insensitivity to new players: For sure definitely there has been so many cases of new players getting flamed or scolded just because their new. But hey that's how the author of this topic even rose up in the beginning right? Even I have been flamed and bitched about before but right now I'm at least a legitimate div 2 player. Everyone has to learn to suck it up and learn from the basics. If we did it, why can't they? Just because we can doesn't mean we should be all kind to them should we? If they had read the guides and all, I really doubt new players will get flamed upon, not all the time it is about DM but mostly regarding common sense and game etiquette (e.g voting map before map is over) Redundant topics: Look for yourself. It's in the "General Discussion" is it not? And you say that it steals the spotlight of other useful topics. Aren't those useful topics in the "Guide and Mentoring" section? How then is this topic stealing the spotlight? Isn't a "General Discussion" section supposed to be a section for people to freely voice their thoughts? HUGE suck ups: I have no idea what you mean so I'll leave this as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shounic 143 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 he thinks people post these type of posts because they're trying to suck up to admins and look good to the community. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qjyap 29 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 he thinks people post these type of posts because they're trying to suck up to admins and look good to the community. That's one point. I think what he means is that too many people mindlessly agree with the views of the admins/higher level players without thinking things through for themselves. Don't worry this doesn't extend to you shounic :-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heretotroll 10 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 Insensitivity to new players: For sure definitely there has been so many cases of new players getting flamed or scolded just because their new. But hey that's how the author of this topic even rose up in the beginning right? Even I have been flamed and bitched about before but right now I'm at least a legitimate div 2 player. Everyone has to learn to suck it up and learn from the basics. If we did it, why can't they? Just because we can doesn't mean we should be all kind to them should we? If they had read the guides and all, I really doubt new players will get flamed upon, not all the time it is about DM but mostly regarding common sense and game etiquette (e.g voting map before map is over) Redundant topics: Look for yourself. It's in the "General Discussion" is it not? And you say that it steals the spotlight of other useful topics. Aren't those useful topics in the "Guide and Mentoring" section? How then is this topic stealing the spotlight? Isn't a "General Discussion" section supposed to be a section for people to freely voice their thoughts? HUGE suck ups: I have no idea what you mean so I'll leave this as that. Guess I agree with most of what you say. I had a lot of chat logs that basically showed what I meant by newbies sucking up to older players. I'll post it when I'm back home, though I probably will forget by then. he thinks people post these type of posts because they're trying to suck up to admins and look good to the community. Kind of what I was trying to get at but not exactly. That's one point. I think what he means is that too many people mindlessly agree with the views of the admins/higher level players without thinking things through for themselves. Don't worry this doesn't extend to you shounic :-) Also guess that's true, but doesn't encompass what I'm trying to point out fully. So what I mean by sucking up is how they jump ship when a veteran takes a side. I'll bookmark this thread so hopefully I remember to show you'll some chatlogs that are pretty funny if you can appreciate what I'm trying to point out. Also my wrist hurts waving the white flag so hard so I'll stop typing now. Damn that post took long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heretotroll 10 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 momma cherri says it best: Also read nata's post for some of the sucking up I whine about. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ow3n 3 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 Insensitivity to new players: For sure definitely there has been so many cases of new players getting flamed or scolded just because their new. But hey that's how the author of this topic even rose up in the beginning right? Even I have been flamed and bitched about before but right now I'm at least a legitimate div 2 player. Everyone has to learn to suck it up and learn from the basics. If we did it, why can't they? Just because we can doesn't mean we should be all kind to them should we? If they had read the guides and all, I really doubt new players will get flamed upon, not all the time it is about DM but mostly regarding common sense and game etiquette (e.g voting map before map is over) Redundant topics: Look for yourself. It's in the "General Discussion" is it not? And you say that it steals the spotlight of other useful topics. Aren't those useful topics in the "Guide and Mentoring" section? How then is this topic stealing the spotlight? Isn't a "General Discussion" section supposed to be a section for people to freely voice their thoughts? HUGE suck ups: I have no idea what you mean so I'll leave this as that. IMO i dont think that just because you had to experience getting scolded and insulted doesnt mean you have to do it to the newcomers. Treat others the way you want to be treated, unless you are saying that it is alright for others to 'flame' you too for every single mistake you make. By flaming newcomers you are essentially killing the AFL ''community'' and the future puggers to come. If a the boss of a company scolded a new employee for every mistake he made, would anyone even want to join the company, with the bad rep that it already had? No, if this applies for real life situations, it also applies for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ow3n 3 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 Also read nata's post for some of the sucking up I whine about. Not referring to any admin in particular, but many people have been banned for not agreeing with the admins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biotics 45 Report post Posted November 5, 2013 IMO i dont think that just because you had to experience getting scolded and insulted doesnt mean you have to do it to the newcomers. Treat others the way you want to be treated, unless you are saying that it is alright for others to 'flame' you too for every single mistake you make. By flaming newcomers you are essentially killing the AFL ''community'' and the future puggers to come. If a the boss of a company scolded a new employee for every mistake he made, would anyone even want to join the company, with the bad rep that it already had? No, if this applies for real life situations, it also applies for this. Look at this from another perspective. If you continuously make mistakes, do you expect your parents to continuously forgive you and act like nothing went wrong. Usually it would be a warning followed by a scolding am I right? Where does the warning apply? The admins almost always give out warnings to fellow puggers before executing their kungfu kicks. They also explain what these perpetrators of the rules have done wrong. Secondly, you might argue that these people might be new blah blah and hence should not be scolded / flamed etc. look for yourself at this very website. It covers every single thing that a new player needs to know to avoid getting shit uponed. If you do get flamed, with all these guides to pugs and stuff, your loss and your own fault. P.S these "flames" and "shit uponed" I'm taking about purely refers to flaming due to reasons outside of in game skills and such. I am too against people scolding others for their bad gameplay. But then again, how do these people even get here o.O Share this post Link to post Share on other sites