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ikea stickies vs elysium-cell TF2 dispute

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A complaint has come to our attention in the upper bracket round between ikea stickies and elysium-cell TF2.

 

While our normal procedure is not to review matches, this match concerns admins and as a result we had to look at it.

 

The match in question is the Upper Bracket Round of 8 match between ikea stickies and elysium-cell TF2 at http://asiafortress.com/thread-1573.html

 

We had to look through server logs of the incedent and we found that both of the maps were played on a server that was advantageous to ikea stickies as opposed to one of each team. To make it perfectly clear, elysium-cell TF2 did waiver their rights to choose their server to play on. But upon further investigation, it was determined that the koreans only waivered this right because they were mislead.

 

1. They have been denied a legitimate request to play on a server of their choice on 2 occasions.

2. They have been deceived on the options of servers they could choose. (eg Garena / BFX / Japan Servers)

3. They were led to believe that the server they were playing was the official server and the only server they could play on. (With the obvious implication that servers with this type of ping would be the only choice if they had a choice at all)

 

 

+01:40	ecjaguar	say	can sv change?
+01:45	mine. bwannie	say	no sv change
+01:53	ecjaguar	say	why?
+01:59	mine. bwannie	say	because i say so
+01:59	ecjaguar	say	we no pick
+02:02	mine. Mads	say	cuz its the official server
+02:06	mine. bwannie	say	^
+02:24	mine. teal	say	its the same if we shift to mercs cup server
+02:30	echwanLmc*	say_team	? ???
+02:32	ecxeta	say	revoming that asiafortress words
+02:32	echwanLmc*	say_team	????
+02:42	mine. bwannie	say	fire cauldron burning 10pm?
+02:51	ecxeta	say	we must use this server?
+02:51	x??	say_team	yep
+03:03	mine. Mads	say	its the same on the other server
+03:10	bz	say	were all here
+03:10	ecxeta	say	not the same
+03:12	bz	say	who cares
+03:16	bz	say	were playing on fucking friday
+03:18	bz	say	SO WTF
+03:21	mine. bwannie	say	seriously
+03:23	mine. bwannie	say	friday night
+03:25	mine. teal	say	ITS FRIDAY FRIDAY

 

 

+37:28	ecjaguar	say	hey
+37:32	ecjaguar	say	sv change
+37:37	Fei101 -V- Co.	say_team	is there other svr?
+37:38	echwanLmc*	say_team	??..
+37:38	Fei101 -V- Co.	say_team	lol
+37:45	ecjaguar	say	garena sv
+37:52	bz	say	ip
+37:53	bz	say	i check my ping
+38:07	mine. bwannie	say	i dont understand, do you not understand this is the official svr?
+38:18	ecjaguar	say	?
+38:21	ecjaguar	say	fuck uo
+38:25	mine. bwannie	say	nah fuck you.
+38:36	mine. bwannie	say	1. forfeit 2. nm choose.
+38:41	mine. teal	say_team	bran dont
+38:43	mine. bwannie	say_team	?
+38:46	mine. bwannie	say_team	im not trolling am i
+38:46	bz	say	bran so angry
+38:49	mine. Mads	say_team	quit being an asshole
+38:55	mine. teal	say_team	svr change?
+38:56	mine. bwannie	say_team	then get a slut for me
+38:58	mine. bwannie	say_team	im not playing
+39:00	mine. Mads	say_team	we check our ping first
+39:23	ecjaguar	say	this sv official?
+39:37	mine. Mads	say	yeah it is
+39:41	mine. Mads	say	pass us garena ip we check the ping first
+39:51	mine. teal	say	xeta agreed on this svr
+39:53	ecjaguar	say	112.121.91.136:27016
+39:56	mine. Mads	say	if we cant then we're staying
+39:56	ecjaguar	say	?
+39:58	ecxeta	say	?
+40:02	ecprime	say	WHEN?
+40:04	ecprime	say	WHEN?
+40:06	mine. Mads	say	when you signed up
+40:06	mine. teal	say	ask him
+40:06	ecxeta	say	u didnt say it
+40:06	ecjaguar	say	when?
+40:09	mine. Mads	say	for the cup
+40:10	mine. teal	say	a chat with nata
+40:11	ecxeta	say	that is starhub
+40:11	ecjaguar	say	fuck joke?
+40:22	bz	say	less rage
+40:42	mine. teal	say	i said mercs cup server
+40:53	mine. teal	say	which is no diff from this server
+41:32	ecjaguar	say	we ping bad
+41:34	bz	say	i get double ping there =S
+41:51	ecjaguar	say	garena ok?
+42:08	mine. alphi!	say	im up for it!
+42:12	bz	say	i cant play on that
+42:17	ecjaguar	say	why?
+42:20	ecjaguar	say	u ping bad?
+42:21	mine. teal	say	well we agreed on mercs cup server
+42:25	bz	say	i get 200 there
+42:34	ecjaguar	say	we this sv ping 70~200
+42:38	mine. teal	say	xeta
+42:39	mine. teal	say	yes he did
+42:41	ecxeta	say	u didnt say it merc cup = starhub
+42:48	mine. teal	say	i said mercs cup server
+42:50	bz	say	why didnt you post in the thread about using the garena server?
+42:56	mine. Mads	say	it should be your duty to check your ping to that mercs server beforehand tbh
+43:07	mine. teal	say	u shld have tried the ping
+43:08	ecjaguar	say	merc cup League only starhub?
+43:10	ecprime	say	official svr starhub is only 1 ?
+43:13	ecjaguar	say	wow
+43:15	mine. Mads	say	its sh and eclub
+43:17	mine. Mads	say	which is the same
+43:19	ecjaguar	say	yea
+43:21	ecxeta	say	i mean
+43:23	ecjaguar	say	only this sv?
+43:31	mine. teal	say	u can try the mercs cup server, it is the same
+43:31	ecxeta	say	u didnt say mercs cup server is starhub u know
+43:35	ecjaguar	say	nata ask me sv free
+43:42	mine. Mads	say	yeah, only in the main league there is other servers available
+43:43	ecxeta	say	asia have so many servers
+43:45	mine. Mads	say	this is mercs
+44:11	ecprime	say	so merc match play in this sv only ???
+44:34	ecjaguar	say	nata so fuck?
+44:38	ecjaguar	say	nata me joke?
+44:41	mine. Mads	say	unless we agree to another server, in this case, no because our players lag there
+44:49	mine. Tabi.	say	oppa!
+44:50	ecjaguar	say	oh why?
+44:53	bz	say	lets calm down
+44:53	ecjaguar	say	why?
+44:55	bz	say	and check the rules
+44:56	ecjaguar	say	LOL
+44:59	bz	say	lets not get upset at them video games
+45:00	ecxeta	say	dizziness played in garena
+45:02	mine. Mads	say	because bz lags there
+45:07	mine. Mads	say	and some of us too
+45:08	mine. Mads	say	quite badly
+45:12	ecprime	say	me too guyz
+45:16	ecprime	say	so lag in this sv
+45:18	ecxeta	say	but why are we must in here?
+45:22	ecprime	say	im ok but
+45:24	bz	say	LETS CHECK THE RULES
+45:25	mine. Mads	say	unfortunately this is the predecided server
+45:25	ecprime	say	my friends not
+45:26	bz	say	AND SEE
+45:42	ecxeta	say	GARENA is unofficial server?
+45:49	mine. Mads	say	yeah
+45:59	ecxeta	say	but why are they played yesterday?
+46:04	ecxeta	say	in Garena
+46:24	ecxeta	say	ye i agreed merc cup
+46:27	ecxeta	say	but not is starhud
+46:39	ecxeta	say	u didnt said mercs cup use starhub
+46:47	ecxeta	say	what checking?
+46:51	ecprime	say	xee is admin ?
+46:53	mine. Mads	say	check your ping
+46:57	mine. Mads	say	yes, xee is admin
+46:59	ecxeta	say	i didnt know
+47:21	ecjaguar	say	merc cup sv only this sv wow
+47:22	ecjaguar	say	lol
+47:26	ecjaguar	say	fuck
+47:30	bz	say	pretty much
+47:34	bz	say	if you posted in the thread
+47:34	ecprime	say_team	????
+47:38	ecprime	say_team	?? ??? ????
+47:39	bz	say	i would of told you if i ping good there
+47:48	bz	say	i dont think any of you posted
+47:52	mine. Mads	say	please ask before hand
+47:53	bz	say	i was aware the game was yesterday
+47:56	bz	say	and im here on friday
+47:57	bz	say	playing this
+48:39	ecxeta	say	just go
+48:44	mine. Mads	say	thank you
+48:48	ecxeta	say	
+48:54	ecprime	say	where is other 1 ?

 

Think about it this way:

 

Your team is first told you cant change servers.

Secondly, you cannot choose a server which would give your team a "good ping", just as the first server gave the other team a "good ping"

Thirdly, the the only servers you can choose (assuming you're allowed to - see issue one), they are servers with disadvantageious ping for your team.

 

In that situation:

 

We can understand why elysium-cell TF2 waivered their rights and why a misunderstanding occured - however this still put them at a disadvantage.

 

elysium-cell TF2 did not make any effort to organize in the forums.

ikea stickies - deliberate or not, maliciously or not, did mislead elysium cell into believing that they did not have the rights to a server of their choosing.

 

As a result of the investigations, no punitive action will be taken against either team. But the 2nd map must be replayed on a server of elysium-cell TF2's choice.

 

All match organization must be done in the match thread, if you don't use the match thread from now on the other team can set the date and the servers.

 

What this incident has really highlighted is the importance of organisation. One of the reasons that this entire event occured the way it did was the anger one team felt at being forced to reschedule this match once already due to a lack of organisational effort from the other team.

 

It would be fair to say if not for this frustation then the entire incident coul have been easily avoided. Always remember that come game time, there are two groups of people with two schedules playing, and that what might be your lack of organisation can really be unpleasant for the other side.

 

With this in mind, it must be stressed that all match organization must be done in the match thread. If you don't use the match thread from now on the other team can set the date and the servers, or at least will have a favourable chance of the administrators agreeing with their suggestions in said match thread.

 

From now on remember there are three things you have to decide upon in a match thread preferably one day before the game date:

 

The game date

The time

What server each team picks

 

Have both teams confirm everything in the match thread

Do not leave it to the day

Do not complain to an admin on the day

 

Post what you need in the thread and if the teams cannot agree then the admins will decide

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