natapon 124 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 A complaint has come to our attention in the upper bracket round between ikea stickies and elysium-cell TF2. While our normal procedure is not to review matches, this match concerns admins and as a result we had to look at it. The match in question is the Upper Bracket Round of 8 match between ikea stickies and elysium-cell TF2 at http://asiafortress.com/thread-1573.html We had to look through server logs of the incedent and we found that both of the maps were played on a server that was advantageous to ikea stickies as opposed to one of each team. To make it perfectly clear, elysium-cell TF2 did waiver their rights to choose their server to play on. But upon further investigation, it was determined that the koreans only waivered this right because they were mislead. 1. They have been denied a legitimate request to play on a server of their choice on 2 occasions. 2. They have been deceived on the options of servers they could choose. (eg Garena / BFX / Japan Servers) 3. They were led to believe that the server they were playing was the official server and the only server they could play on. (With the obvious implication that servers with this type of ping would be the only choice if they had a choice at all) +01:40 ecjaguar say can sv change? +01:45 mine. bwannie say no sv change +01:53 ecjaguar say why? +01:59 mine. bwannie say because i say so +01:59 ecjaguar say we no pick +02:02 mine. Mads say cuz its the official server +02:06 mine. bwannie say ^ +02:24 mine. teal say its the same if we shift to mercs cup server +02:30 echwanLmc* say_team ? ??? +02:32 ecxeta say revoming that asiafortress words +02:32 echwanLmc* say_team ???? +02:42 mine. bwannie say fire cauldron burning 10pm? +02:51 ecxeta say we must use this server? +02:51 x?? say_team yep +03:03 mine. Mads say its the same on the other server +03:10 bz say were all here +03:10 ecxeta say not the same +03:12 bz say who cares +03:16 bz say were playing on fucking friday +03:18 bz say SO WTF +03:21 mine. bwannie say seriously +03:23 mine. bwannie say friday night +03:25 mine. teal say ITS FRIDAY FRIDAY +37:28 ecjaguar say hey +37:32 ecjaguar say sv change +37:37 Fei101 -V- Co. say_team is there other svr? +37:38 echwanLmc* say_team ??.. +37:38 Fei101 -V- Co. say_team lol +37:45 ecjaguar say garena sv +37:52 bz say ip +37:53 bz say i check my ping +38:07 mine. bwannie say i dont understand, do you not understand this is the official svr? +38:18 ecjaguar say ? +38:21 ecjaguar say fuck uo +38:25 mine. bwannie say nah fuck you. +38:36 mine. bwannie say 1. forfeit 2. nm choose. +38:41 mine. teal say_team bran dont +38:43 mine. bwannie say_team ? +38:46 mine. bwannie say_team im not trolling am i +38:46 bz say bran so angry +38:49 mine. Mads say_team quit being an asshole +38:55 mine. teal say_team svr change? +38:56 mine. bwannie say_team then get a slut for me +38:58 mine. bwannie say_team im not playing +39:00 mine. Mads say_team we check our ping first +39:23 ecjaguar say this sv official? +39:37 mine. Mads say yeah it is +39:41 mine. Mads say pass us garena ip we check the ping first +39:51 mine. teal say xeta agreed on this svr +39:53 ecjaguar say 112.121.91.136:27016 +39:56 mine. Mads say if we cant then we're staying +39:56 ecjaguar say ? +39:58 ecxeta say ? +40:02 ecprime say WHEN? +40:04 ecprime say WHEN? +40:06 mine. Mads say when you signed up +40:06 mine. teal say ask him +40:06 ecxeta say u didnt say it +40:06 ecjaguar say when? +40:09 mine. Mads say for the cup +40:10 mine. teal say a chat with nata +40:11 ecxeta say that is starhub +40:11 ecjaguar say fuck joke? +40:22 bz say less rage +40:42 mine. teal say i said mercs cup server +40:53 mine. teal say which is no diff from this server +41:32 ecjaguar say we ping bad +41:34 bz say i get double ping there =S +41:51 ecjaguar say garena ok? +42:08 mine. alphi! say im up for it! +42:12 bz say i cant play on that +42:17 ecjaguar say why? +42:20 ecjaguar say u ping bad? +42:21 mine. teal say well we agreed on mercs cup server +42:25 bz say i get 200 there +42:34 ecjaguar say we this sv ping 70~200 +42:38 mine. teal say xeta +42:39 mine. teal say yes he did +42:41 ecxeta say u didnt say it merc cup = starhub +42:48 mine. teal say i said mercs cup server +42:50 bz say why didnt you post in the thread about using the garena server? +42:56 mine. Mads say it should be your duty to check your ping to that mercs server beforehand tbh +43:07 mine. teal say u shld have tried the ping +43:08 ecjaguar say merc cup League only starhub? +43:10 ecprime say official svr starhub is only 1 ? +43:13 ecjaguar say wow +43:15 mine. Mads say its sh and eclub +43:17 mine. Mads say which is the same +43:19 ecjaguar say yea +43:21 ecxeta say i mean +43:23 ecjaguar say only this sv? +43:31 mine. teal say u can try the mercs cup server, it is the same +43:31 ecxeta say u didnt say mercs cup server is starhub u know +43:35 ecjaguar say nata ask me sv free +43:42 mine. Mads say yeah, only in the main league there is other servers available +43:43 ecxeta say asia have so many servers +43:45 mine. Mads say this is mercs +44:11 ecprime say so merc match play in this sv only ??? +44:34 ecjaguar say nata so fuck? +44:38 ecjaguar say nata me joke? +44:41 mine. Mads say unless we agree to another server, in this case, no because our players lag there +44:49 mine. Tabi. say oppa! +44:50 ecjaguar say oh why? +44:53 bz say lets calm down +44:53 ecjaguar say why? +44:55 bz say and check the rules +44:56 ecjaguar say LOL +44:59 bz say lets not get upset at them video games +45:00 ecxeta say dizziness played in garena +45:02 mine. Mads say because bz lags there +45:07 mine. Mads say and some of us too +45:08 mine. Mads say quite badly +45:12 ecprime say me too guyz +45:16 ecprime say so lag in this sv +45:18 ecxeta say but why are we must in here? +45:22 ecprime say im ok but +45:24 bz say LETS CHECK THE RULES +45:25 mine. Mads say unfortunately this is the predecided server +45:25 ecprime say my friends not +45:26 bz say AND SEE +45:42 ecxeta say GARENA is unofficial server? +45:49 mine. Mads say yeah +45:59 ecxeta say but why are they played yesterday? +46:04 ecxeta say in Garena +46:24 ecxeta say ye i agreed merc cup +46:27 ecxeta say but not is starhud +46:39 ecxeta say u didnt said mercs cup use starhub +46:47 ecxeta say what checking? +46:51 ecprime say xee is admin ? +46:53 mine. Mads say check your ping +46:57 mine. Mads say yes, xee is admin +46:59 ecxeta say i didnt know +47:21 ecjaguar say merc cup sv only this sv wow +47:22 ecjaguar say lol +47:26 ecjaguar say fuck +47:30 bz say pretty much +47:34 bz say if you posted in the thread +47:34 ecprime say_team ???? +47:38 ecprime say_team ?? ??? ???? +47:39 bz say i would of told you if i ping good there +47:48 bz say i dont think any of you posted +47:52 mine. Mads say please ask before hand +47:53 bz say i was aware the game was yesterday +47:56 bz say and im here on friday +47:57 bz say playing this +48:39 ecxeta say just go +48:44 mine. Mads say thank you +48:48 ecxeta say +48:54 ecprime say where is other 1 ? Think about it this way: Your team is first told you cant change servers. Secondly, you cannot choose a server which would give your team a "good ping", just as the first server gave the other team a "good ping" Thirdly, the the only servers you can choose (assuming you're allowed to - see issue one), they are servers with disadvantageious ping for your team. In that situation: We can understand why elysium-cell TF2 waivered their rights and why a misunderstanding occured - however this still put them at a disadvantage. elysium-cell TF2 did not make any effort to organize in the forums. ikea stickies - deliberate or not, maliciously or not, did mislead elysium cell into believing that they did not have the rights to a server of their choosing. As a result of the investigations, no punitive action will be taken against either team. But the 2nd map must be replayed on a server of elysium-cell TF2's choice. All match organization must be done in the match thread, if you don't use the match thread from now on the other team can set the date and the servers. What this incident has really highlighted is the importance of organisation. One of the reasons that this entire event occured the way it did was the anger one team felt at being forced to reschedule this match once already due to a lack of organisational effort from the other team. It would be fair to say if not for this frustation then the entire incident coul have been easily avoided. Always remember that come game time, there are two groups of people with two schedules playing, and that what might be your lack of organisation can really be unpleasant for the other side. With this in mind, it must be stressed that all match organization must be done in the match thread. If you don't use the match thread from now on the other team can set the date and the servers, or at least will have a favourable chance of the administrators agreeing with their suggestions in said match thread. From now on remember there are three things you have to decide upon in a match thread preferably one day before the game date: The game date The time What server each team picks Have both teams confirm everything in the match thread Do not leave it to the day Do not complain to an admin on the day Post what you need in the thread and if the teams cannot agree then the admins will decide Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carry 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 5-0 5-0 ec win Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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teal 156 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 5-0 5-0 ec win XD, jag WIN OKAY. MUST WIN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites