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#AFL ChatLog (LIVE)


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#AFL ChatLog (LIVE)
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20:09 (uNleashee) nta
20:09 (uNleashee) spammah
20:09 (uNleashee) you guys there
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20:13 (uNleashee) hage
20:14 (mamuru_) syu syu
20:15 (vinez) kono kanzi
20:15 (uNleashee) 今呼んだ
20:15 (uNleashee) くる
20:15 (spammah) hello japan
20:15 (mamuru_) hi
20:15 (nnnnnnta) konbanwa Ecstatic
20:16 (mea_) helllo
20:16 (spammah) konbanwa
20:16 (vinez) doumo doumo
20:16 (spammah) wakarimashta
20:16 (AgLaia) hi
20:16 (spammah) ohai gozaimasu
20:16 (uNleashee) morning
20:16 (uNleashee) haha
20:16 (spammah) oh Tongue
20:16 (spammah) ok
20:16 (spammah) firstly
20:16 (spammah) one sec...
20:16 (uNleashee) so what do we start with
20:16 (spammah) let me grab the website link
20:17 (spammah) ok
20:17 (spammah) http://asiafortress.com/thread-109.html
20:17 (spammah) uNleashee
20:17 (spammah) can you tell the jp guys here
20:17 (spammah) that we're running with AFL2 tourney
20:17 (spammah) 1. the admins are completely different this time
20:17 (spammah) 2. we're trying to arrange prizes
20:18 (spammah) 3. we're gonna try a tournament format which gets the most number of votes - http://asiafortress.com/thread-109.html (descriptions here)
20:18 (uNleashee) okay
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20:18 (spammah) 4. there are custom maps
20:19 (uNleashee) まず最初にAFL2の紹介をしておくと
20:19 (uNleashee) 前回の大会と運営チームが違ってて
20:19 (uNleashee) 今回は賞品も出るかも
20:19 (uNleashee) 投票で得票数の多かった形式のトーナメント(リーグ)にて開催予定
20:19 (spammah) Maps list:
20:20 (spammah) Odd Weeks:
20:20 (uNleashee) カスタムマップがあるよ
20:20 (spammah) cp_granary
20:20 (spammah) cp_freight
20:20 (uNleashee) という4点
20:20 (spammah) cp_gullywash
20:20 (spammah) cp_yukon_final
20:20 (spammah) cp_well
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20:20 (spammah) Even Weeks:
20:20 (spammah) cp_badlands
20:20 (spammah) cp_follower
20:20 (spammah) cp_obscure_rc2
20:20 (spammah) cp_prolane_v3
20:20 (spammah) cp_gravelpit = afl2 Playoffs desu
20:21 (uNleashee) 週ごとにマップが決まってて、大体上の通りらしい
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20:21 (mamuru_) 週ごとなのか
20:21 (uNleashee) この時点で何か質問等あったらどうぞ
20:21 (uNleashee) 奇数週はこのマッププールから選択
20:21 (uNleashee) 偶数ならこっから
20:21 (uNleashee) っていう事っぽいね
20:21 (spammah) 5. i know that the jpn teams have their own closed community for tf2. are the jpn teams interested in scrimming other teams from other azn countries though?
20:21 (uNleashee) 俺読んでないけどw
20:21 (vinez) w
20:22 (uNleashee) 日本のtf2コミュニティーは国内志向だけど、海外試合とかに興味は無いの
20:22 (uNleashee) という質問だね
20:23 (uNleashee) これ答えても何も広がらないよね
20:23 (mamuru_) そだね
20:23 (uNleashee) ということで埒が明かないので
20:23 (uNleashee) なんか疑問点とか
20:23 (uNleashee) 前回を踏まえて提案したい点とか
20:23 (uNleashee) 有ればどうぞ
20:23 (uNleashee) 翻訳します
20:24 (uNleashee) !used used used
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20:20 (spammah) Even Weeks:
20:20 (spammah) cp_badlands
20:20 (spammah) cp_follower
20:20 (spammah) cp_obscure_rc2
20:20 (spammah) cp_prolane_v3
20:20 (spammah) cp_gravelpit = afl2 Playoffs desu
20:21 (uNleashee) 週ごとにマップが決まってて、大体上の通りらしい
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20:21 (mamuru_) 週ごとなのか
20:21 (uNleashee) この時点で何か質問等あったらどうぞ
20:21 (uNleashee) 奇数週はこのマッププールから選択
20:21 (uNleashee) 偶数ならこっから
20:21 (uNleashee) っていう事っぽいね
20:21 (spammah) 5. i know that the jpn teams have their own closed community for tf2. are the jpn teams interested in scrimming other teams from other azn countries though?
20:21 (uNleashee) 俺読んでないけどw
20:21 (vinez) w
20:22 (uNleashee) 日本のtf2コミュニティーは国内志向だけど、海外試合とかに興味は無いの
20:22 (uNleashee) という質問だね
20:23 (uNleashee) これ答えても何も広がらないよね
20:23 (mamuru_) そだね
20:23 (uNleashee) ということで埒が明かないので
20:23 (uNleashee) なんか疑問点とか
20:23 (uNleashee) 前回を踏まえて提案したい点とか
20:23 (uNleashee) 有ればどうぞ
20:23 (uNleashee) 翻訳します
20:24 (uNleashee) !used used used
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20:24 (uNleashee) とりあえず彼らとしては日本からも参加チームを増やしたいらしいので
20:24 (uNleashee) 参加しやすくなるように意見を下さいという趣旨でこの場があります
20:25 (uNleashee) なんだっけ
20:25 (uNleashee) いまんとこ総当りになるんだっけ
20:25 (uNleashee) 日程はお互いのチームで決める方式だったはず
20:25 (uNleashee) そこらへんがめんどくさいとか
20:25 (uNleashee) 詳しくとか
20:25 (uNleashee) なんでもいいので
20:25 (uNleashee) なんかください
20:26 (uNleashee) まむるさんからどうぞ
20:26 (mamuru_) 前回、試合日時決めるのが短い期間で決めなくちゃいけなかったっぽいんで、もう少し余裕を持たせた方がいいと思いますよ
20:26 (spammah) 6. the majority of the votes right now are for option B) Round Robin Single Group
20:26 (spammah) this tournament format will take the longest time
20:26 (spammah) BUT
20:26 (spammah) this format is useful in many ways
20:26 (spammah) 1. we will know who are the real strong teams, who are the medium-class teams and the lower skilled teams
20:26 (vinez) 国内志向っていうかまず鯖決めからはじまってどうするどうするでgdgdで時間がかかるからなー
20:27 (vinez) まずそこからめんどくさい
20:27 (spammah) 2. this is most fair in terms of matches. every team plays every team
20:27 (uNleashee) 試合日程決めるのって俺個人としては
20:27 (mamuru_) お互いのpinとかもあるしね
20:27 (uNleashee) 1日で良いんだけどな
20:27 (uNleashee) 逆に期間があると
20:27 (uNleashee) どうせギリギリまでみんな動かずに
20:27 (uNleashee) そこからコンタクト探してでカオスになるからね
20:27 (vinez) ですね
20:27 (uNleashee) 今ってIRCとかで決めんの?
20:27 (vinez) いやsteamchatですね
20:27 (vinez) 前の時は銅でした
20:27 (spammah) 3. the only disadvantage is time. we have set a deadline for 2 months + 15 days
20:27 (vinez) そう
20:28 (spammah) 4. X teams will qualify from round robin single group to Double Elimination Playoffs
20:28 (uNleashee) 今なんかいってるのは後であれします
20:29 (uNleashee) 日程調整の期間が短い
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20:29 (uNleashee) 鯖決めたりめんどくさい
20:29 (uNleashee) っていう2点でいいの?
20:29 (uNleashee) まず
20:29 (uNleashee) どのぐらい長ければいいの
20:29 (uNleashee) まむるさん
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20:30 (spammah) 5. if AFL2 is successful and finishes succesfully using Round Robin group stage + Double elimination playoffs, then in AFL3 or AFL4 or whatever, you guys can do Division based tournament like ozfortress.com
20:30 (spammah) div1 div2 div3 div4 teams etc
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20:31 (uNleashee) うんこ
20:31 (mamuru_) 試合当日まで3・4日ってとこで決められてたんで1週間ぐらいあればとは思うけどなぁ
20:31 (vinez) 武器制限はあったりするんですかね?
20:31 (uNleashee) 1週間欲しいの
20:31 (mamuru_) 皆仕事とかも有るだろうし
20:31 (uNleashee) ok伝えます
20:31 (mamuru_) 相手と時間があわないかもしれないしね
20:31 (uNleashee) 俺個人だと、1週間だと話し合う日程を決めるっていう作業が増える気がするけどw
20:31 (spammah) 6. it's okay if you guys do not care about asiafortress.com. but are you guys interested in taking part for the AFL2 tournament at least? i am approaching you guys because jpn tf2 teams have good and unique style of gameplay
20:32 (vinez) 毎週土日試合とかはどうでしょう?
20:32 (spammah) and you guys bring something new to the table and make the tournament more interesting
20:32 (uNleashee) spammah we got some suggestions on scheduling like
20:32 (spammah) aha
20:32 (vinez) 平日は忙しい人も多いと思いますし
20:32 (mamuru_) その辺ぐだるかもね
20:33 (mamuru_) 土日限定するのはいいかもね
20:33 (uNleashee) 試合日程を土日にするって事
20:33 (uNleashee) それともスケジューリングを土日に行うって事?
20:33 (mamuru_) 試合を土日にやるってこと
20:34 (mea_) 何試合位する事になるんですかね
20:34 (uNleashee) 11試合
20:34 (uNleashee) 2ヶ月と15日がリミットだそうです
20:34 (uNleashee) 毎週1試合か2試合ってとこかな
20:34 (mea_) 11試合で毎週拘束ってなると厳しい人も出てくるかもしれませんね
20:34 (uNleashee) うん
20:34 (uNleashee) 俺は先ず無理だな
20:35 (mea_) 開催期間ながいと言うのもネックなんじゃないでしょうか
20:35 (uNleashee) そこは散々言ったけど曲げる気は無さそう
20:35 (uNleashee) というのも、さっき上で長々と言っていたのがそれで
20:35 (uNleashee) まずどのチームがウマイだとかの情報が無いので
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20:35 (uNleashee) いきなり分割したリーグを行うとブーブー言われてしまう というのが彼らの持論で
20:36 (uNleashee) 12チーム総当りでまず一度開催をすればデータが取れるので
20:36 (mea_) それが出来ないチームは参加しないという事で、日本から参加するチームも少ないんでしょうね
20:36 (palo) 2ヶ月だと途中棄権してしまうぜ
20:36 (uNleashee) その次の開催でトーナメントなり
20:36 (uNleashee) 分割トーナメントができるよね
20:36 (uNleashee) ていうのをメリットとして挙げてる
20:36 (uNleashee) まぁ訳すか
20:37 (uNleashee) spammah as to the scheduling stuff
20:37 (spammah) yes
20:37 (uNleashee) some of them think that the scheduling days are too short
20:37 (uNleashee) i mean they need some more days like 1 week for scheduling
20:37 (nnnnnnta) that is possible
20:38 (nnnnnnta) because with round robin we can establish rounds
20:38 (spammah) all teams will have two matches to play in one week
20:38 (uNleashee) 2, its tiresome because soemtimes you dont catch the clan leader you gotta speak to when you want to
20:38 (uNleashee) and deciding the server is kinda pain in the ass
20:38 (mamuru_) クラブでいろんなクランから人が出てるし次もそのクラブで出るとか分からないしデータも何も無いと思うけど
20:38 (uNleashee) and then to tourney format
20:38 (nnnnnnta) everything can be self pre-planned once the round list is out
20:38 (spammah) yeah i agree. there will be hurdles everywhere
20:38 (uNleashee) 1. 2months are too long, and well get too many games
20:39 (spammah) yes 2 months is long
20:39 (spammah) but
20:39 (spammah) think of it this way
20:39 (spammah) we all scrim tf2 right?
20:39 (spammah) and we scrim almost everyday?
20:39 (spammah) so what's the difference in playing two matches a week
20:39 (spammah) or three matches a week
20:40 (spammah) 2 months is too long i agree
20:40 (spammah) but
20:40 (uNleashee) 毎日クラン戦してるわけだから、できないことは無いんじゃないですか という反論ですね
20:40 (spammah) most of the current teams now want round robin because it is the most fair format
20:40 (uNleashee) lol
20:40 (spammah) because they don't want to get a match vs hard team in first round
20:40 (spammah) if you look at option D), you'll see Swiss-system format
20:40 (spammah) this is good
20:40 (spammah) but
20:40 (spammah) it may lead to some unfair matches
20:40 (spammah) +
20:41 (spammah) not many matches to play with this format
20:41 (spammah) [16:37] <uNleashee> 2, its tiresome because soemtimes you dont catch the clan leader you gotta speak to when you want to
20:41 (uNleashee) 総当りが一番人気が有るのは、おそらくフェアだからで、緒戦で強いところと当たって終わっちゃうとか無いからじゃね
20:41 (spammah) the matches are scheduled in forums
20:42 (uNleashee) というお話
20:42 (spammah) you translate this to japanese ok?
20:42 (uNleashee) 選択肢Dはスイス式トーナメントで、結構良いんだけど
20:42 (uNleashee) 試合数は減るよ
20:42 (uNleashee) というお話
20:42 (spammah) Example: Name of the forum thread: Team Xq vs Team GX^ (April 3rd to April 10th)
20:42 (mamuru_) ほむ
20:42 (uNleashee) スケジューリングはsteam chatじゃなくてフォーラム上でやるらしい
20:42 (uNleashee) よ
20:42 (spammah) same like ozfortress.com
20:43 (spammah) let me show you an example
20:43 (spammah) http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php?t=36709
20:43 (spammah) see that
20:43 (mea_) クラン戦は、毎日出来てる所もあるだけで、必ずしも今後、毎日出来るとは限らないというのが、現状なんじゃないでしょうか
20:44 (spammah) http://ozfortress.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1285
20:44 (uNleashee) ↑の方式で日程決めとかやるそうな。
20:44 (mea_) 遠い先のスケジュールを立てるという事は、日本のスタイルには合ってないのかもしれませんね
20:45 (uNleashee) まぁ
20:45 (uNleashee) 長い
20:45 (uNleashee) と
20:45 (uNleashee) 言うことだね
20:45 (mea_) ですね
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20:46 (uNleashee) spammah thx for the additional info on scheduling
20:46 (uNleashee) i just translated it
20:46 (spammah) yeah
20:46 (spammah) the scheduling is done on the forums
20:46 (uNleashee) and to the tourney format
20:46 (spammah) so if your opponent team doesn't reply or whatever, then you get the forfeit win
20:46 (uNleashee) they know why its good
20:46 (mea_) あくまで主観的な意見で、他の方がどう思われてるかはわかりませんがw
20:46 (spammah) aha
20:46 (uNleashee) but its just too long to take part in
20:46 (spammah) yeah i agree man
20:46 (spammah) but this is what most of the current participating teams want
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20:47 (uNleashee) 意見提起は主観で良いよ
20:47 (uNleashee) ていうか
20:47 (vinez) 自分も同じ意見ですね
20:47 (uNleashee) 客観意見は結論だからw
20:47 (uNleashee) 投票の結果がそうなっちゃってるから仕方が無いね
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20:48 (mamuru_) 今回出る事決定してるとこからは他に意見とかないの?
20:48 (uNleashee) あれ
20:48 (uNleashee) http://asiafortress.com/thread-9.html
20:48 (uNleashee) これ
20:48 (uNleashee) 18表しか差が無いから
20:48 (mea_) 日本からの参加を増やしたいと言う事になるのでしたら、日本のスタイルを受け入れて貰わないと厳しいと思いますね
20:48 (uNleashee) 気合入れれば2グループリーグにできるんじゃね
20:48 (uNleashee) lol
20:49 (uNleashee) なんかひっくり返せないみたいなニュアンスでずっと前から言ってたから
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20:49 (uNleashee) 200表ぐらいあんのかとおもったら
20:49 (uNleashee) 誰も投票してないだけじゃんこれ
20:49 (mamuru_) なる
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20:49 (uNleashee) 投票すると良いかも
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20:50 (vinez) このサイトがリニューアルになるまえまでは
20:50 (vinez) ありましたよ
20:50 (vinez) リニューアルになってなんかきえてた
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20:51 (uNleashee) 得票数?
20:51 (mea_) その前に興味を持ってもらえてないと投票するって話までいかないんじゃないかと
20:51 (vinez) です
20:51 (vinez) 自分Bに投票しましたもん
20:52 (uNleashee) うける
20:52 (uNleashee) spammah did you happen to reset the vote result
20:52 (uNleashee) cuz its only got like 40 votes so far
20:52 (spammah) no the vote isn't reset but the counts are a little off
20:52 (spammah) option C: has two voters
20:52 (spammah) but it shows up as 1
20:52 (spammah) option D: has ten votes
20:52 (spammah) oops
20:52 (spammah) nine votes sry
20:52 (spammah) but it shows up as 10
20:52 (spammah) but
20:53 (spammah) just -1 +1 difference
20:53 (spammah) that's all
20:53 (spammah) other than that, the vote are correct
20:53 (spammah) i counted them
20:53 (spammah) 20 votes for option B:
20:53 (uNleashee) リセットしてないって言ってるけどね
20:53 (vinez) ええええ
20:53 (uNleashee) Bって総当り1グループだけど
20:53 (vinez) じゃあのリニューアル前のvoteはなんだったんだ・・・
20:54 (uNleashee) もう1回voteできるって事で良いんじゃね
20:54 (AgLaia) ちなみに2リーグ方式にするのとスイス式にするのだと開催期間はどの位になるんですか?
20:54 (uNleashee) どちらにせよ19表入れれば、選択肢がどれでもそれが一番になるね
20:55 (uNleashee) spammah how long will it take if we go with 2 divs
20:55 (uNleashee) and swiss style
20:55 (nnnnnnta) depends on teams
20:55 (nnnnnnta) 20 teams in 2 divs = 10 teams
20:56 (uNleashee) how many teams so far
20:56 (nnnnnnta) 13 i think
20:56 (spammah) 2 divs and swiss style, we can finish in 1+ month
20:56 (uNleashee) 大体半分ぐらいみたいね
20:56 (uNleashee) 1ヶ月とちょっとぐらい
20:56 (uNleashee) らしい
20:56 (uNleashee) 今13チーム居るから
20:57 (uNleashee) チーム数によって変動します
20:57 (uNleashee) ということです
20:57 (AgLaia) なるほど
20:57 (uNleashee) 出る出ないにかかわらず投票しておくと良いかもね
20:57 (uNleashee) 長くてイヤっていう人は
20:57 (uNleashee) 2divに
20:58 (uNleashee) フォーラムに登録しないとダメだけど
20:58 (uNleashee) http://asiafortress.com/thread-9.html
20:58 (uNleashee) ちなみにここです
20:58 (uNleashee) 何か他に無いですか
20:58 (uNleashee) 質問でも提案でも何でもどうぞ
20:59 (vinez) あ、武器制限は
20:59 (vinez) どうなんでしょう
21:00 (uNleashee) あ、すまんわすれてた
21:00 (uNleashee) spammah whats the regulation for weapons
21:00 (spammah) new items (chocolate bar + pain train + all those new weapons) = banned
21:00 (spammah) sandman = banned
21:01 (spammah) buff boner = 1 per team
21:01 (spammah) force-of-nature = 1 per team
21:01 (spammah) equalizer = enabled
21:01 (spammah) gunboats = banned
21:01 (spammah) all demoman items = enabled
21:01 (uNleashee) is that based on some other tourney rules?
21:01 (uNleashee) od is it original
21:01 (uNleashee) or*
21:02 (spammah) well, NA and EU have different rulesets for all these ietms
21:02 (spammah) ietms
21:02 (spammah) items*
21:02 (spammah) so we had a big mumble meeting many days ago
21:02 (uNleashee) and im personally interested in limiting scripts
21:02 (uNleashee) how about that
21:02 (nnnnnnta) yes
21:02 (nnnnnnta) no demoman scripts
21:02 (spammah) and we agreed to the items i listed above
21:02 (uNleashee) like some scripts for demoman sprint
21:02 (nnnnnnta) for the charging targe
21:02 (spammah) yea
21:02 (spammah) scripts not allowed
21:02 (uNleashee) haha
21:02 (spammah) ;p
21:03 (uNleashee) god now i feel safe
21:03 (uNleashee) that just sucks
21:03 (spammah) LOL
21:03 (nnnnnnta) LOL
21:03 (nnnnnnta) haha
21:03 (uNleashee) 武器の帰省は上の通りで
21:03 (spammah) i did a quick reading of the rules, i think we also disallowed the duckjump script
21:03 (uNleashee) 今回のアップデートで入ったチョコバーとかはすべて禁止
21:03 (uNleashee) 三度マンも禁止
21:03 (uNleashee) バフバーナー、フォーサネイチャーはチームに1本まで可能
21:03 (spammah) also
21:03 (uNleashee) イコライザーはOK
21:04 (spammah) one more thing
21:04 (uNleashee) ていうかここは訳さなくて良いな
21:04 (uNleashee) ちなみに北米とかヨーロッパの大会のルールに準拠しているそうです
21:04 (uNleashee) demomanのスクリプトはすべて禁止
21:04 (spammah) you tell the jpn guys that if we go ahead with round robin tourney format (the really long ass tourney format), then there is also a chance Valve will release engineer patch during these 2 months
21:04 (spammah) so all items from Engineer Update = banned
21:05 (AgLaia) クラスの制限はデモ1メディ1だけですか?
21:05 (uNleashee) 期間中に登場するあんロックは原則禁止で
21:05 (uNleashee) す
21:05 (uNleashee) what about the class limits spammah
21:06 (spammah) the usual
21:06 (spammah) 2 of each class
21:06 (spammah) except demo and medic
21:06 (AgLaia) thx
21:06 (uNleashee) 同じだね
21:06 (spammah) !used used used>>>>>>>>>>>
21:06 (spammah) !used used used
21:06 (spammah) :->
21:06 (uNleashee) how do you ban these scripts
21:06 (spammah) :-]
21:06 (uNleashee) only by the rules
21:06 (uNleashee) or you have some sort of plugins or something
21:06 (spammah) yeah only by rules i think
21:06 (uNleashee) im curious
21:06 (spammah) i don't know if there are plugins :/
21:06 (uNleashee) ok
21:07 (uNleashee) i guess there are
21:07 (spammah) we will have to depend on the spectators or admins to notice something wrong
21:07 (spammah) well
21:07 (spammah) even if there are plugins, i don't think half the servers will install it
21:07 (uNleashee) but its tough to introduce these kinda things cuz you have to get server admins to install them
21:07 (spammah) yeah man
21:07 (uNleashee) to play teh games on the sv
21:07 (spammah) yepppppppp
21:07 (spammah) that's the problem
21:07 (uNleashee) yes
21:08 (spammah) on the other hand, some svr admins are fussy about what they wanna install on their svr or they don't want to bother at all
21:08 (uNleashee) haha
21:08 (uNleashee) you should set it by a rule
21:08 (spammah) some of the AFL2 admins will try asking their respective svr admins to install such plugins
21:08 (uNleashee) otherwise it could be unfair
21:08 (spammah) but i don't think many svr admins will do it
21:08 (uNleashee) cuz these addons affect hitboxes so much
21:09 (spammah) yea
21:09 (spammah) yea
21:09 (spammah) oh? these plugins affect hitbox?
21:09 (spammah) didn't know that
21:09 (uNleashee) esp metamod
21:09 (spammah) well. we just keep it as a rule for now
21:09 (nnnnnnta) might as well ban the targe
21:09 (nnnnnnta) lol
21:09 (uNleashee) yea they hook the engine
21:09 (spammah) just keep it as a rule for now
21:09 (uNleashee) so it produces some gaps in frames
21:09 (spammah) and we rely on specs + admins to notice any hankypanky Tongue
21:09 (uNleashee) tf2 has too many interpolation at the first place
21:09 (uNleashee) so
21:09 (uNleashee) i dont care much though
21:10 (spammah) yea
21:10 (spammah) so just rule for now Tongue
21:10 (spammah) rely on admins + specs
21:10 (uNleashee) スクリプト禁止は今のところハード側でやる手立てが無いので
21:10 (uNleashee) specとかレフェリーに頼ることになる ということです
21:10 (uNleashee) 他に何かある?
21:11 (uNleashee) 特に無い?
21:11 (vinez) ないっす
21:12 (uNleashee) おーらい
21:12 (uNleashee) じゃぁ一回閉めようか
21:13 (uNleashee) spammah thats it ty for coming
21:13 (uNleashee) Smile
21:13 (spammah) they will participate?
21:13 *nanaxyyy join #AFL (~nanaxyyy@p2092-ipbf1012osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp)
21:13 (spammah) but listen
21:13 (spammah) tell them one more thing
21:13 (spammah) tell them if they have any questions
21:13 (spammah) ask them to try contact Row.
21:13 (spammah) or u
21:13 (spammah) or post in forums
21:13 (spammah) OR
21:13 (spammah) ask them to try google translate Tongue
21:13 (uNleashee) it depends on format as i said
21:13 (uNleashee) so i encouraged them to vote
21:13 (spammah) yeah
21:13 (spammah) yeah
21:13 (uNleashee) if they have opinions
21:13 (spammah) ask them to vote and see
21:13 (spammah) yeah
21:13 (spammah) that's fine
21:14 (spammah) the vote ends March 25th
21:14 (uNleashee) yep thats how it works
21:14 (spammah) day after tomorrow
21:14 (spammah) and
21:14 (uNleashee) 25日に投票締め切りになるので
21:14 (uNleashee) みんな投票し置くと良いよ!
21:14 (spammah) it's totally understandable if the jpn teams don't want to join
21:14 (uNleashee) というお話
21:15 (spammah) just wanted to be the first one to extend the hand to the jpn community Tongue
21:15 (uNleashee) 何か質問があれば
21:15 (uNleashee) Rowさんまでどうぞ
21:15 (uNleashee) とにかくアジア全域のTF2を盛り上げたいので
21:15 (uNleashee) 今後とも宜しく
21:15 (uNleashee) との事です
21:15 (vinez) はい
21:16 (mamuru_) ほい
21:16 *GUN-KATANAMAN part (Leaving...)
21:16 (uNleashee) otu otu
21:16 (nnnnnnta) btw
21:16 (spammah) !used used used>>>>>>>>>>>>
21:16 (nnnnnnta) ozr bakemono Ecstatic
21:16 (spammah) i will brb in 5 mins. phone
21:17 (vinez) oisii
21:17 (uNleashee) ya lets call it a day
21:17 (nnnnnnta) hai
21:17 (nnnnnnta) otu :3
21:17 (uNleashee) otu otu
21:17 (mamuru_) おつつ
21:17 (vinez) otu
21:17 (uNleashee) 日本人の
21:17 *vinez part (Suspicious)
21:17 (uNleashee) 出そうな人で組織票入れたら
21:17 (uNleashee) どれでも即効で可決しそうだな
21:17 (uNleashee) lol
21:18 (uNleashee) 25日までなので
21:18 (uNleashee) 早めに入れよう
21:18 (nnnnnnta) i got a chatlog
21:18 (palo) ninja
21:18 (nnnnnnta) in the forums
21:18 (nnnnnnta) for this discussion
21:19 (nnnnnnta) for those that have missed out on this discussion it is at http://asiafortress.com/thread-116-post-982.html#pid982
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they got some suggestions on scheduling like??

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With sv_allow_wait_command set to 0, does demoman sprint script still works? Since the script utilized the "wait" command too.
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No idea. Gotta test.
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(03-23-2010 11:05 PM)Ratsyc Wrote:  With sv_allow_wait_command set to 0, does demoman sprint script still works? Since the script utilized the "wait" command too.

honestly speaking, some scripts that dont have the wait command, can execute the same as one with a wait command. frankly speaking, the demoman charge targe script may have wait command, but if you just bind keys to "+left" and "+right" , you can still spin/turn/strafe while charging, just not as fast as a usual script for mouse would. :3

i myself binded f and g to +left and +right respectively for demoman cfg just for charge targe. if you're wondering, i binded f3 to taunt lol!
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