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[yuko]

Foundation:

We're gonna have 5 maps every round. 2 to be eliminated, 2 to be picked then the last being the tiebreaker.

Maps I've been thinking about..

1) cp_granary
2) cp_badlands
3) cp_obscure_final
4) cp_follower
5) cp_gullywash
6) cp_freight_final1
7) cp_gravelpit
8) koth_viaduct
9) cp_mainline_rc6 (version..?)
10) koth_ashville
11) cp_coldfront
12) cp_yukon_final

Initial discussion here, then do a poll at a later date

[ding]

I think the majority of the community have not heard of ashville lest played it yet. Its not even implemented on the American side yet. (not sure whether esea will implement it this season actually) so i think it would be a little dangerous to include such a map now? Same with coldfront.

Some maps we played before, i think follower should be scrapped (personal opinion) i think the map sorta sucks, not fun to play, huge open spaces everywhere. Despite the initial "hype" I had over obscure, now I don't think its a extremely good map. Its mid point sorta sucks. Not sure now since i heard there have been updates.

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not to mention coldfront and ashville aren't even in the servers.

WHERE IS PRO DUSTBOWL LOL. And How did cp_gorge fare this season?

[ch3rry]

I'd say keep around eight maps (+ gravelpit for finals).

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cp_granary
cp_badlands
cp_gullywash_imp3
cp_prolane_??
cp_obscure_final
cp_freight_final1
cp_coldfront
koth_viaduct

More than eight maps is just fucking retarded. Less than six is the same. I'd say every season introduce one new map, and kick out one old one. In the above map pool, i've provided space for cp_coldfront (new) and removed cp_pro_dustbowl. cp_gorge is just gay and imo no one enjoyed it last season cause no one had a fucking clue on how to play it. Coldfront remains a mirror map and there isnt much room for strat changes.

[deliaren]

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I'd say keep around eight maps (+ gravelpit for finals).

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cp_granary
cp_badlands
cp_gullywash_imp3
cp_prolane_??
cp_obscure_final
cp_freight_final1
cp_coldfront
koth_viaduct

More than eight maps is just fucking retarded. Less than six is the same. I'd say every season introduce one new map, and kick out one old one. In the above map pool, i've provided space for cp_coldfront (new) and removed cp_pro_dustbowl. cp_gorge is just gay and imo no one enjoyed it last season cause no one had a fucking clue on how to play it. Coldfront remains a mirror map and there isnt much room for strat changes.

Each week is a new set of maps? Mainline is a new map that I think we should try and some of the epic matches come from Yukon.

[ding]

yukon i like it personally. But some people say its way too open. But maps are supposed to be different. you cant have everything to be like badlands and granary.

[ch3rry]

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I'd say keep around eight maps (+ gravelpit for finals).

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cp_granary
cp_badlands
cp_gullywash_imp3
cp_prolane_??
cp_obscure_final
cp_freight_final1
cp_coldfront
koth_viaduct

More than eight maps is just fucking retarded. Less than six is the same. I'd say every season introduce one new map, and kick out one old one. In the above map pool, i've provided space for cp_coldfront (new) and removed cp_pro_dustbowl. cp_gorge is just gay and imo no one enjoyed it last season cause no one had a fucking clue on how to play it. Coldfront remains a mirror map and there isnt much room for strat changes.

Each week is a new set of maps? Mainline is a new map that I think we should try and some of the epic matches come from Yukon.

No no, I meant that we should every new season, we introduce one new map and kick out one old one. I kicked out cp_pro_dustbowl from the last afl, and introduced coldfront (we could have mainline instead).

[deliaren]

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I'd say keep around eight maps (+ gravelpit for finals).

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cp_granary
cp_badlands
cp_gullywash_imp3
cp_prolane_??
cp_obscure_final
cp_freight_final1
cp_coldfront
koth_viaduct

More than eight maps is just fucking retarded. Less than six is the same. I'd say every season introduce one new map, and kick out one old one. In the above map pool, i've provided space for cp_coldfront (new) and removed cp_pro_dustbowl. cp_gorge is just gay and imo no one enjoyed it last season cause no one had a fucking clue on how to play it. Coldfront remains a mirror map and there isnt much room for strat changes.

Each week is a new set of maps? Mainline is a new map that I think we should try and some of the epic matches come from Yukon.

No no, I meant that we should every new season, we introduce one new map and kick out one old one. I kicked out cp_pro_dustbowl from the last afl, and introduced coldfront (we could have mainline instead).

I meant each round is a set of map pool of 5 maps... so we gotta need more than that.

[yuko]

looking at 8-9 maps

[kushhh]

where my yukon at, its a super fun map!

prolane and coldfront is kinda stale

why dont we throw in mainline?

[JT.]

why not fastlane or prolane instead of mainline.

[Ratsyc]

About time CTF maps should be bring back to the competitive scene in asia. Maybe not the stock maps like well/2fort, but mach4 or something. I'm sure there's plenty of nice ctf maps out there.

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About time CTF maps should be bring back to the competitive scene in asia. Maybe not the stock maps like well/2fort, but mach4 or something. I'm sure there's plenty of nice ctf maps out there.

QFT

[yuko]

turbine?

it was good

[Haruhi]

so to get this discussion on track, everyone is pretty much with maps like badlands, granary.etc. The major concerns are 1) including old maps like pro dustbowl or coldfront. 2) including new maps like mainline and ashville. 3) including ctf maps like turbine and well. Personally I think that the old maps should be included in the map pool, afterall we are doing 5 in pool, 2 elimination. We need a lot more maps to sustain variety in choices and if the teams don't like it, they can simply eliminate it. Change is the only constant in life and I don't think we should keep the maps out simply because no one knows how to play it. In that case, why not have an afl3 all over again instead of an afl4. Having more choices allows lower tier teams to be able to find and hold trump cards to their favor and allow for more dynamic play. Afterall isn't everyone complaining about bl,gran in pugs all the time?

New maps are definitely welcomed in the map pool if they are sufficiently balanced and tried to an extent and for a start, we can include them in the regular pug server map pool to tropicalize them from NA or EU. Once more people play it, they will be able to appreciate it and enjoy it.

Lastly, ctf maps are, like what he said, about high time they get included. Turbine is a very good map and there are many different strategies involved which teams should get to know and practice.

[traveller]

remove pro_dustbowl and cp_gorge.

Should put in coldfront, it's an official map now isn't it. Comes with tf2 already :D

and it's cool :<

[bigfoot]

include:
-cp_badlands, granary, freight, follower, gullywash
-koth_viaduct
-ctf_turbine

(PLEASE) dont include: gravelpit, well, prolane/fastlane, gorge, coldfront (last cp isnt as exciting, rest of map also quite boring)

obscure and yukon i dont really play so no comments

[ding]

I don't understand whatever bigfoot just posted. are you supporting ctf turbine or what?

[deliaren]

ctf_turbine is a really good map and I think some of the euro and american leagues play these maps too

[Haruhi]

If you exclude that many maps, I am afraid you will have a pretty dull map pool for the season. I see a bit of self preference there and it's fine but I do think that we should put the really debatable maps on poll for fairness sake. On a side note, mainline is actually quite a nice map and the Americans play it often, should be worth a try for us too.

[kushhh]

how about yukon guys?